Boscastle

[ForestFred]

I dont know how many of you on this forum are pagan apart from mitch and mrs r .But if you've seen the news the village of Boscastle.Cornwall has had a visit from the tale end of Hurricane Charlie. and sent fnuk knows how much water through the village.Boscastle is the home of the only Museum of Witchcraft in the country. I was there only a few days ago and it is a very wonderful place .I dont know as yet how much or if any damage has occured .If you go to www.museumofwitchcraft.com you'll see for selves what a wonder it is.If you pray and I dont care whitch deity it maybe please spare a thought for the people of Boscastle and the surrounding area at this time.

[Jonnyfp]

Boscastle is a great place,
My thoughts are with em.

[Mitch]

We know that Graham and Kerryann are safe (the owners/'keepers' of the Museum) - we've got friends finding out for us what's happened to the Museum itself. As soon as we hear, we'll let everyone know.

As FF said, this is the only museum of its kind in the country, with quite a lot of history kept there - stuff from Aleister Crowley and loads of other famous collections. It is very important stuff there, not just to me and Mrs R, but worldwide.

However, it's not just the museum - Boscastle's a very beautiful place (we visited last year), the people are very friendly (they'd have to be to cope with the number of tourists each year!).

One can only hope...

[cxdemon]

Brings it home just how screwed up the weather is when it happens just down the road, always meant to go to the museum, hope i get a chance, but at the end of the day, as long as the people are ok that is what is important.

[Nitrowing]

I went there earlier this year but the museum was closed :(

[Mitch]

I went there earlier this year but the museum was closed :(

yeah, there are times when you can - could (for the time being only) book out of season if there was something you wanted to look at...

Latest word is that the ground floor got flooded out so a lot of the artifacts downstairs are believed to be lost, however the upstairs is relatively unscathed.

The spooky thing is that both the shops either side of the museum (including the OTT Evangelical Christian bookshop - the one that liked to harass folk going into the museum with terrible christian singing!!!!) were destroyed :eek:

[cxdemon]

maybe they got caught by the three fold law? seve em right :D
glad to hear some of the stuff is ok, at least thats something

[Mrs Reject]

Obviously our first thoughts are with all the folks in Boscastle who've lost their homes, livliehoods and posessions but thank goodness no one was killed that we know of.
Our second thoughts were of the archives at the museum, the witchcraft museum is the only one of it's kind in the world. All the history of the craft is there, the works of Crowley, Alex Sanders, Gerald Gardener and countless archive material including old country ways and traditions that is utterly priceless to us and can never be replaced. The world history of the craft is there and if it had all been lost there would have been suicidal witches all over the world!!!!!!myself included.
Somehow much of it has survived apparently, don't know how only that it has.
Makes you think....the whole history of the craft could have been destroyed and lost to us forever, it would have been a total tragedy. It just doesn't bear thinking about! Have spent the day pondering over it all and just wondering how this could have happened!

[Friar Tuck]

Boscastle, my thoughts go out to the people there. Spent many a happy childhood year there. Worrying that I'm going on holiday to Cornwall in a few weeks, though.

Mrs.R have you read anything by Andrew Collins or Grahame Phillips? These guys are into Psychic Questing! There is (or was) a shop in Northampton devoted to witchcraft as well.

I went to one of their "Conferences" years ago. A most wierd experience! Not because of the Subject, but becuase of the attendees! More goths and new agers than you can shake a stick at! Take away lentil sarnies anyone?

[Jonnyfp]

This was just sent to me folks...



On 16th August 20004 the Museum of Witchcraft in Boscastle, Cornwall, UK, which
holds one of the most significant Pagan and Witchcraft collections in the world,
was seriously damaged by flash floods which have devasted Boscastle.

Graham King and all the Museum staff are safe. The building is still standing,
but there is serious damage to the collection. We will not know the extent of
this for a while yet.

The Museum is appealing for help from the Pagan community. They would like to
assure all their friends and supporters that the Museum will be back.

The friends Of The Museum and the Pagan Federation Devon and Cornwall are
co-ordinating the appeal for help. Two kinds of help are needed:

Donations; If you are able to send donations, please make them payable to:Pagan
Federation Devon and Cornwall and send them to: PO Box 314, Exeter, EX4 6YR, UK.
Please send cheques, postal orders or IMOs (not cash) and mark the envelope
"Museum Of Witchcraft". All donations will be acknowledged (eventually!).

WiccaUK member Yewtree has set up a donation page for those who wish to pay
online via PayPal, which accepts all major Credit and Debit cards.
http://www31.brinkster.com/yewtree/mow.htm. This service is being supported by
The Wiccan magazine.

Practical help: All kinds of volunteer help will be needed to clean up, save the
collection and re-build the Museum. This help will not be needed for a few days
yet, but if you can help, please email your details to either:
thecrowman@houseof the oldways.fsworld.co.uk or: levannah@aol.com.

Someone will contact you when we know what is needed. We will also email updates
as we get them.

Many thanks and Goddess Bless to everyone who has already been in touch to offer
help and support. The Museum will not be beaten by this.

Please circulate this information as widely as you can.

Blessings of the Old Ones

Levannah Morgan and Adrian Bryn-Evans
(Friends of the Museum Of Witchcraft and Pagan Federation Devon and Cornwall).

[GarrysPhrogg]

Our thoughts and sympathys are with the people of Boscastle who have lost thier homes and other valuables which hopefully can be replaced, however the artifacts of witchcraft being lost in the flood will probably never be replaced, this is a great loss to the pagan/wiccan community, I will pass all the above information on to all my friends who belong to this community.

[Jonnyfp]

Just goes to show what kinda peeps you all are here,
I got a different response off the other place.
My faith in humanity is repaired.
C'mon group hug. :D

[cxdemon]

That'll teach you to go to "The other place" :D

[Jonnyfp]

That'll teach you to go to "The other place" :D

Yeah sorry bout that. :( :D

[Gypsy]

doro says.........


forgive my ignorance, and no offence meant, but when I say ignorance I do mean my ignorance..!!





I thought Alistair Crowley was a self-confessed satanist

so I did a quick internet search and have found that perhaps it was just the media and certain misunderstandings (by Ron Hubbard in particular) which started such rumours, and perhaps some satire from Crowley himself.

the book of the law is supposd to have references to uberhumans and human sacrifice

but the quotes I have seen are obviously a small part of the text so could be out of context also

so I found this from the book of law..


21. We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world. Think not, o king, upon that lie: That Thou Must Die: verily thou shalt not die, but live. Now let it be understood: If the body of the King dissolve, he shall remain in pure ecstasy for ever. Nuit! Hadit! Ra-Hoor-Khuit! The Sun, Strength & Sight, Light; these are for the servants of the Star & the Snake.

22. I am the Snake that giveth Knowledge & Delight and bright glory, and stir the hearts of men with drunkenness. To worship me take wine and strange drugs whereof I will tell my prophet, & be drunk thereof! They shall not harm ye at all. It is a lie, this folly against self. The exposure of innocence is a lie. Be strong, o man! lust, enjoy all things of sense and rapture: fear not that any God shall deny thee for this.

25. Ye are against the people, O my chosen!

26. I am the secret Serpent coiled about to spring: in my coiling there is joy. If I lift up my head, I and my Nuit are one. If I droop down mine head, and shoot forth venom, then is rapture of the earth, and I and the earth are one.

27. There is great danger in me; for who doth not understand these runes shall make a great miss. He shall fall down into the pit called Because, and there he shall perish with the dogs of Reason.




can anyone tell me what the truth is behind him?

as I said, I always thought he was a self-confessed satanist

seems more like a man heavily influenced by Eastern religion who started his own version of the Masons, who is linked to Scientology and Kabbalah

I would appreciate any links so I can continue to 'see for myself'

although I don't know what's behind this link...it does seem to contain a lot of his stuff..

http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/

[Mrs Reject]

As it happens Crowley was a friend of my family, he did "go bad" but didn't start off that way, a lot of nonsense is talked about him though but he liked people to think he was a great beast, a lot of it was publicity seeking. Alex Sanders did much the same sort of thing in the sixties.
Crowley couldn't have been the most evil man in the world at the time anyway, surely that title goes to Adolf Hitler!!!!!
It's quite sad that the museum housed quite a few artefacts belonging to our old High priest who initiated us and they have all gone now... we think, as they were downstairs. :( gloom :(
(Lentil sarnies indeed FT - YUCK!!!!!!)

[Gypsy]

and anton levay?

just had a quick discuss with gypsy (cos it's still doro here :D ) and we think maybe the christians tried to label pagans and wiccans as satanists as a way to discredit them?

[Jonnyfp]

http://forums.wiccauk.com/


Bound to be a learned member on this site that can shed some light Gypsy.
At the Museum satanism did'nt seem as bad as the name suggests. Its seems that the 'vices' that christianity say are so bad are the life blood of this following. not an old one by any stretch think it derived from america in the 60's or 70's.
The museum is great for stuff like that. There is/was an exhibit upstairs that went into detail about masonary (not the bricks either!) The chap with the rams head bethomate or something like that germanic derived. And you go away thinking maybe hitler was envolved in some way. hmm.
But they also had a thing about Alistair Crowley was more involved with Wicca.
Ask em bud you may have to register but they know their beans thats for sure.

I'm rambling now show i'll shut up.

[Gypsy]

it's meee jonny....doro lmao

anyway I thought satanism was a made up thingy by the church to keeps peeps on the pews, they said satanists worshipped the devil and preferred doing evil to doing good, ie performing human sacrifice, killing people, being cruel to children etc etc so satanism is bad n'est pas?

know what you are trying to say though

the church want everyone to get married and only have sex to make babies

whereas other more nature based religions say sex isn't dirty or bad

more my kinda thing

the christian church is more about oppression you think?

[Mrs Reject]

I love all the Dennis Wheatley books which I'm collecting at the mo, my favourite is "The devil rides out". they are so incredibly naff and typify what people used to really think witchcraft was all about but in fact it is not at all!!!

[Jonnyfp]

Horses for courses, 2000 years of social conditioning mean that folk still make up laws based on such stuff.
And for the record altho i sort of saw where the satanists where coming from but i could'nt see a conection with what i believe. Pagans don't recognise the devil simply because to believe in that would acknoledge a christian deity. remember satan was cast out of heaven.
I don't believe in the devil but still refer to it in everyday speak. like that last fart smelt like the devil. but it don't mean i believe.