small minded people

[dracken1]

it was carnival day in our village today.
we have taken part in it for years. we often come first sometimes second.
but a few weeks ago a meeting was held by the borth council comprising mostly english people. the same people who started an english only club in a welsh village.
the meeting was to discuss our 3 properties.
we own 3 large 3 storey houses in a row of 9 houses.
2 we've converted into flats. and the other we let out 7 rooms to the local council for people with problems of varing sorts.
evidently it's attracting the "wrong" sort of people, this is were i wondered what the "right" sort of people are.
we were not invited to this closed meeting and neither were any of our tenants from any of the properties.
so the upcome of all this evidently was that they ended up bickering amoungst themselves.
these people are all church goers (which is always the best place to find a bunch of bigots imho.
so instead of our usual practice of collecting for the carnival commitee we registered with the nspcc to collect for them.
there was 8 of us playing key figures from the shrek films. two dresses we imported from canada especially.
needless to say we were not placed in the top 10. even though we collected in 4 nspcc boxes £234.94p. and that was over the distance of one mile.
i'm not bothered this did'nt award us a prize. as we guessed they would'nt.
a couple of council members asked me why i was not collecting for the village.
to which i replied, that although critisism does'nt bother me there was no way i was going to pay them money to do it.

and all because some english people moved up here to get away from the life they were leading and then proceed to try and change the village to a place exactly the same as the one they left.
they don't like tourists rofl we are a seaside town ffs.

this is not a general rant at english people just the wankers we have up here. 85% of them are midlanders.

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[Jonnyfp]

I for one would'nt move to an area an try to take it over. I believe that if you move to an area the place should change you not the other way round.
And altho i would never take responsibility for 'midlanders in general' it does ashame me somewhat.
I know borth relatively well and admit to being taken on holiday there since i was 11 with my family i have dodged turds in the sea. and stubbed me toes on that stoney beach for many a summer.
I do sort of see why holiday cottages where being burned in the 70's.

So please don't hate all of us.

[krammer]

so how much do you reckon 'midlanders' contribute to the local economy? i spent what felt like a very long weekend in borth once and the cliche about the natives chatting away in english and then the moment we walked into a shop dropped into the welsh tongue happened to us!. me, my missus and daughter have some superb friends in swansea and even they shake their heads at the mentality of some of the people in gogland. krammer69 birmingham england.

[dracken1]

krammer not once in my post did i critise tourists.
my business does not depend on the tourist season whatsoever.
but many do.
but the ones that move here, and the majority of them are from the midlands.
they quickly try to change the place to a copy of were they came from. and if they suceed they end up hating the place.

yes some welsh people are arogant/ignorent, same as everywhere else you go you will find them.
if i am in a shop talking about a personal matter and someone wanders close i will if the other person is welsh speaking revert to welsh. if we were not already talking in welsh.
it's not ignorant, its welsh people talking in thier native tongue.
i've had people come up to us in pubs and critisise us for speaking welsh although we had been all night.
thats just paranoia on thier part.
i would'nt go up to people in england and tell them they were ignorant for speaking english.
no matter were english speaking people seem to go in the world they always expect to be understood. because it may be your first/only language its not everyones.

but to back track yes i've witnessed welsh people switch to welsh to talk about a non welsh speaker who is within earshot, and for those who do that, i apologise to you.
but much of it is fear based.
we know that motorcyclists even in these enlightened times scare people mainly because non motorcycling folk don't understand the lifestyle. even if you tried to explain it to them they would'nt comprehend .
it's the same with welsh. because we might be speaking in a language you don't understand it does'nt mean we have nothing better to do than talk about you..

[Jonnyfp]

Great costumes btw. :D

[acidpixie]

loved the costumes too. and i havent even seen shrek one yet.

I agree about alot of the non-welsh folks who move in and then complain that it isnt like home, we get alot of that here.
Im english (well,.. half german) born in london, moved here few years ago, the welsh are the friendlyest folks ive come across.
There are a few wankers, but thats a universal thing.
I was told to "go back home" when i lived in liverpool
I was told to "go back home when i lived in wigan.
so i did go home... to wales cos only ever met friendly people here.
I lived in the middle of a very welsh council estate and worked in a very welsh nightclwb and never had ANYONE say "go home (in any language)

make an effort to learn welsh (im still crap) remember its NOT england and you should get on fine.

[Fanakerpan]

The problem I think lies in the fact that these people move to nice places to escape what they consider to be 'Drudge'. Unfortunately, they understand nothing but that drudge. When they settle down in these cosy little places they feel insecure because they cant connect or understand anything different than the tittle tattling drudgey background that they have existed previously in. The social climbing and self importance gene kicks in so they go about imposing their **** on the natives to bring them down to drudgey ****ty land, just like a little midlands.

I aint got any probs with anyone from anywere but I have seen it happen.

The costumes are brill, Is pinnocio wearin womens underwear?.

Ps. If you dont understand all that. Please forgive me coz am pissed

[triker_gal]

english, welsh, bikers, trendies, hippy's, stuck up's,ect., I think you get my drift here, there are wankers and bitches in all catagories IMHO

[dracken1]

btw i'm shrek and my missus is fiona. her daughter in the red is the queen.
her 2 kids are puss in boots and the gingerbrad boy
pinochio is really my auto electrician who makes up the trike wiring looms
his missus in blue is the fairey godmother.

the guy in the first pic is just a lucky bas***d :)

the last pic is my missus failing to get a kiss off a local police officer

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[Mrs Reject]

Arrrggghhhhh.....fuuuuuuuuck.....nooooooooooo..... ..yur a policeman and I'm always slagging them off on this forum.....I'll get me coat officer - quickly!!! :o

[dracken1]

mrs reject you are of course entitled to your opinion. and you carry on giving it.

just one small point i should clarify though.
that police officier is not me :)

[Mrs Reject]

Oh thank God!!!! but not thank God for you because you have to live with being green and having funny ears :D

[Mitch]

Arrrggghhhhh.....fuuuuuuuuck.....nooooooooooo..... ..yur a policeman and I'm always slagging them off on this forum.....I'll get me coat officer - quickly!!! :o

Methinks Mrs R was a little bit tired there, hehehehehehe!!

What are you like? :D

[dracken1]

Oh thank God!!!! but not thank God for you because you have to live with being green and having funny ears

yyyyes, ok, fine.
you err, don't exist on the same plane as the majority of us do you :D

[UKRobKLR650]

I was actually born in Derbyshire (Belper, on the A6). Moved to Mid Wales before i can remember, spent 21 years in Wales, all my school life, formative years, teens and up to mid twenties. As such i well always regard Wales as my home even though some would argue i was born English and i now live in England. Ultimately were British, Wales, England, Scotland (although some well argue) make up a very small little nation in the north sea that has done so much for this planet, maybe some bad but one helleva lot of good. I think for us to rip apart little bits of this island is bloody terrible and yeah Drack, i know what you mean about midlanders even though i was born one as such. I well hasten to add not all Midlanders are the same, its just that the tosser brigade seem to head for Wales. As far as people speaking Welsh when people walk into a shop etc even though theyve been heard to speak English, well maybe, just maybe they were having a private conversation etc? Maybe theyre lucky that they can speak in Welsh cause they come from Wales? Maybe the people who moan about people speakin Welsh are just jealous that Welsh etc is an older British language than English as England was basically over taken by the Romans etc and Scotland and Wales are in a way the true Brits? Ah, im in a good mood and im not gonna ruin it. Smart costumes by the way :D
Cymru Am Byth, Lloegr Am Byth, Yr Alban Am Byth, Prydain Am Byth. :D

[Mitch]

Oh thank God!!!! but not thank God for you because you have to live with being green and having funny ears

yyyyes, ok, fine.
you err, don't exist on the same plane as the majority of us do you :D

Could say that, though that's what you get from being married to me! :D

[Kingo]

When I was 10 My mother and I left Wales and went to live in Hillingdon, Hayes, Henley on thames, Maidenhead and then Liverpool.
between the ages of 10 and 16 my life was made a misery by the English,
because I had a north Walian accent, after 15 years in Liverpool I developed a scouse accent.
Came back to Wales 20 years ago and at first was not really accepted because they thought I was English, so I have seen bigotry from both side of the fence.
As for the old chestnut about people reverting to thier native tongue because an English person walks in the room is a load of BO**OCKS,
I live in a village about 6 miles away from Borth and to most of the people Welsh is thier first language they actually think in welsh and have basically to translate in thier heads to speak in English which they will gladly do if you speak to them.
I can go into any pub or any other place outside the area where I live and they think I am a scouser, not once in my life have I ever heard anyone change from English to Welsh because I spoke English.
By the way my wife is English and our 4 children where born in England,
our eldest son 33 supports England our youngest son 28 supports Wales.
And no I cant speak Welsh.

[Jonnyfp]

I was actually born in Derbyshire (Belper, on the A6). Moved to Mid Wales before i can remember, spent 21 years in Wales, all my school life, formative years, teens and up to mid twenties. As such i well always regard Wales as my home even though some would argue i was born English and i now live in England. Ultimately were British, Wales, England, Scotland (although some well argue) make up a very small little nation in the north sea that has done so much for this planet, maybe some bad but one helleva lot of good. I think for us to rip apart little bits of this island is bloody terrible and yeah Drack, i know what you mean about midlanders even though i was born one as such. I well hasten to add not all Midlanders are the same, its just that the tosser brigade seem to head for Wales. As far as people speaking Welsh when people walk into a shop etc even though theyve been heard to speak English, well maybe, just maybe they were having a private conversation etc? Maybe theyre lucky that they can speak in Welsh cause they come from Wales? Maybe the people who moan about people speakin Welsh are just jealous that Welsh etc is an older British language than English as England was basically over taken by the Romans etc and Scotland and Wales are in a way the true Brits? Ah, im in a good mood and im not gonna ruin it. Smart costumes by the way :D
Cymru Am Byth, Lloegr Am Byth, Yr Alban Am Byth, Prydain Am Byth. :D

The last known bastion of brythonic britain. I whole heartidly agree with this statement, many folk assume this is gaelic but of course are wrong.
For the record the midlands where arguebly part of wales up until 700 years ago.
But i could be wrong. but i don't think i am.

[Dusty]

FFS. does it really matter whether the people who had the council meetings were welsh, english,black, white or even alien, the fact of the matter is that they deprived the local community of money collected at the carnival.and it is that point alone that should be pointed out and highlighted,the area depends on tourism and community help,if the council alienate either of those groups then the area will go into serious decline.
I live in a small mining village near ebbw vale and yet we are treated as less welsh because we are from south wales, yes laugh all you like, its not just the english that a lot of welsh people dislike,its also dictated by region as well.a lot of the houses in our village have been bought by non locals including english irish etc, but how can we moan about it,how can outsiders buy houses if locals didn't sell them to make a quick buck.
every day on this forum we get the same whinges.. "the welsh dont like me","the english move here and try to make it into little brum "the scots dont make us welcome".........blah blah blah. Then everybody who has been to wales for more than a fortnight comes on and claims to have distant ties and therefore can claim to be welsh for whatever reason, then they move here and start the same old "the welsh dont like" me etc etc.The fact of the matter is, we are all on this earth for a limited amount of time,the country we live in doesn't belong to us,its a bit of rock that broke away from mainland europe thousands of years ago,if it hadn't done that we would all be speaking french. Then we would be in the sh*t and nobody would like any of us.
Think about it !!

[UKRobKLR650]

Oh, just off subject a little bit. As i said, most of my life has been in Wales, all of my education so on so forth. One thing i kick myself over and this is summat Kingo reminded me of, i had a load of **** off people when i moved to Lincs and for a while tried to cover that i came from Wales (Yes i know, bloody sad but you try marrying a lincs girl and being an outsider). Anyway, i got divorced and re embraced if you like coming from Wales. One thing i would like to do is re learn Welsh. I used to speak it quite well and to a certain degree still understand it anyone got any good ideas on courses etc?
Oh, i no longer have a Welsh accent, never really had a deep one anyway as Mid Wales isnt really renowned for it. Funny thing is, as Kingo said, ive never hadsomeone start speakin Welsh as soon as i walked in a shop etc. I have been in a cafe in Bala (not far from parents) and had a meal with me girlfriend and brother and weve been charged less than the people on the next table cause we were locals (dunno how they knew, i suppose me brother still lives there and sounds it, suppose me accent drifts back a bit to). Ha, was in Llanberis once to (was camping and climbing round Snowdonia a couple of winters back) and we turned up at a chippy that was just closing. The woman was kicking people out but let me and me brother in, did us fantastic meals then when it came to the bill only charged us half price pluse she'd had never charged for the bread & butter and loads of mugs of tea :D Was it our accents or was it that we just carried ourselves in a non offensive matter? Work out for yourselves :D

[Dougie]

On a slightly different tangent,we're just back from a long weekend in Paris.Had a great time,frighteningly hot,bikes and scooters everywhere driven with panache and aplomb (can someone tell me how some scooters get away with no numberplate?),a wee bitty expensive,but what the hell,we're on holiday!Where was I?Oh yeah,my gripe is "The Brits (and Yanks) Abroad"!I know that English is getting more and more universally spoken,but not everybody speaks it yet!The number of times we heard Brits and Yanks just speaking louder and louder to try and make themselves understood was ridiculous.My French is appalling,mainly "where's the bog,grub,beer,hotel and metro",(same as my German) but at least I TRY and the locals do appreciate it,and usually help me out happily.I really hate the whole"Johnny Foreigners,if it wasn't for the Empire..." thing,had it done to me when I joined the army 25 years ago,a Scot in an English regiment,was asked "if we had phones and telly up there in Jockland". :eek: Wasn't funny then,ain't funny now!It's about time we stopped being so damn' insular.

[dracken1]

i'm not saying welsh are better than english/scotish/irish or anyone else for that matter.
i'm giving facts, the majority who move here from england are from the midlands area.
the majority of them love it here and i love the sense of humour many of them have, especially those from the black country area.
its the bloody minority who straight away try changing everything to suit them, i mentioned the english only club

keeping funds away from the local community?
for the last 3 years the community council have awarded £900.00 to the borth badmington club and about the same to the football club.

when i aproached them for money for the linedancing club which my missus is in, and who raise £2000.00 per year for the rnli and the welsh air ambulance. i was turned down flat with the excuse that they were not a registered charity.
and was dismissed out of hand when i pointed out that neither were the so called badmington club and football club

plus no one i know. knows the name of anybody in the badmington club, you never see them mentioned ever in the local paper.
the football club has not existed for the last two years.

remember our village is 1 1/4 miles long with just one street

[MrFluffy]

O(can someone tell me how some scooters get away with no numberplate?)

Registration isnt mandatory for vehicles of under 50cc. You should be wondering about all the big bikes with numberplates the size of postage stamps still ;)

[Dougie]

Merci beaucoup,mon ami!

[ForestFred]

Some very interesting points have been made in this thread.It doesnt matter where you are from its what you do that counts .you find arseholes the world over the trick is to ignore 'em or entice 'em onto making complete dicks of them selves ( whoops FF is getting a bit serious that'll never do so here goes).... Down yer in the vorest any one who has to cross a river to get to us is a foreigner so thats most of if not all of ya on here!! Bleeding foreigners comin here chasing our goats mumble, mumble. moan moan :D

[triker_gal]

Bleeding foreigners comin here chasing our goats mumble, mumble. moan moan :D
Oi !! I'm a foreigner. and anyway, i dont like goats :p

[blackhack]

Ya think Draken has it bad, Try up here in jockland....Even worse with a certain section of the english "white settler brigade" selling thier houses in london and the home counties etc, Making huge profits, and then buying up all the available housing to use as either "holiday homes" or " Bed and breakfast" establishments (with the obligitory full *English* breakfasts) The locals, and young newly married couples havent a hope in hell of ever buying a place to live.

I realy dont mind people "emigrating" to scotland, I just wish they would intergrate with the locals and become part of the community,as opposed to trying to set up little shires to remind them of where they came from.......

Look at tobermory, (or balamory, if you've got kids) you can hardly hear a local accent, as the majority of the island is now owned by the "white settlers"

[Dusty]

All this talk of people moving into "your" country and starting or joining a community with other "outsiders" happens the world over.Its not just the english, go into any city and you will find the same.I lived in coventry for 30+ years and there are numerous irish clubs,there are scottish clubs,asian only(how they get away with that i will never understand)and plenty of welsh owned pubs and clubs,these places all attract the ex pats,of course they do.Its a meeting place.
People keep mentioning that there are a lot of midlanders throughout wales,perhaps they should be told that there is an awfull lot of welsh people living in and around the midlands,and why ? because the miners moved all around the country when the pits started closing and thats when the little communities sprang up.So it doesn't really matter where you are you will allways find this happening.
And Blackhack, sorry mate, nothing personal but this thing about the houses being bought up and turned into guest houses and doing english breakfasts,The whole point of B + Bs is mainly for holidaymakers and tourists,how many of the locals will go and stay at a guest house for a week ?My mum has run a guest house (no not in your town) for 15 years and you have to give the customers what they want, so if thats an english breakfast then so be it.
Nothing that i've said is a personal attack against anyone on this forum, its the whole racist thing that p*ss*s me off, if somebody annoys you then call them a tw*t or whatever,there is no need to call them an english/scots/welsh or irish tw*t.

[Dougie]

That's fair enough!However,both Draken and Blackhack have a point,can't be much fun being outnumbered in your own village/city/country. :eek: Mind you,I do believe that no one creed,colour,religeon,race,lifestyle etc. has the monopoly on being arseholes!People are generally the same everywhere,good,bad or indifferent.Governments,on the other hand,are invariably f*uckin' evil b*stards! :mad:

[dracken1]

one of the complaints they are making is that there are to many guesthouses.
when they moved here 18.5 years ago there was a lot more.
one of the properties we own used to be a squat.
they never complained to the people there.
it cost us £800.00 for professional cleaners to take away a total of 460 used needles not in used needle cases.
we lit a fire outside at 8 in the morning and it was still going at 3 the following morning.
we converted the house into 4 two bedroomed flats , did'nt get any thanks for that. but a week later theyre complaining that the house is attracting the wrong sort.
so you see we can't win.

in 18 years these people have made no effort to mix.
don't understand why they moved here or why they stay

[Kingo]

I only live a few miles away from dracken and I tatally agree with him, when I lived in Borth 10 years ago I couldnt believe how cliquey certain people where.
And I have travelled a lot in my 62 years but have never seen anywhere with a drug scene like Borth.